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#1

Your Steam Name: Jacket
Your in-game name: Garma Kun
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:119176343

Why were you warned/banned?: NLR

The Story: Me & Karma & Kun Karma (STEAM_0:1:200393596) were basing in the base behind the industrial elevator.
Me & Kun Karma Got kidnapped By 4 people (Canadian was one of them) and brought us to the yellow ware house and killed us both inside of it,
After we respawn and witness them trying to get inside through the wall in industrial (The entrance to the base is from the elevator) so after about 30 seconds they start blowtorching the prop, I gun them down from behind and counter the raid successfully, I was pulled along side  Kun Karma (he also came back with me and countered the raid) he first argued the base was a black out, we tried to explain to him that the entrance is from the sewers (elevator) but no, then he warns us for NLR.


[b]Why should you be unwarned/unbanned? : He kidnapped me & killed me (along side Kun Karma) inside a different base than ours.[/b]
[b]Canadian argued that he started the raid before the kidnap, but if that's the case then he got out of the raiding zone while Raiding and purchased a door then killed me then went back to raiding the base, which is NOT allowed, and by leaving the raid zone and coming back it'd count as raiding twice within 20 minutes, and by that logic I came back by the time he left the raiding zone the RP situation ended and started a new one, therefore I had every reason to comeback and not getting counted as NLR.[/b]
I argued that he didn't start the raid, and he kidnapped us and killed us inside a different base than ours then a minute later he starts blowtorching and I counter him, so the reason here for me "breaking NLR" was that the first situation (The kidnapping in a different base) was ended, and a new RP situation was about to begin (The Raid).

I asked Canadian to check Logs and compare them side by side, but he took some time and came back and warned us without bringing up the logs.

I believe that I don't deserve the warn, and me going back to Industrial was justified as I explained.
However if I really Deserve the warn then I believe Canadian deserves it as well, as he admitted to starting the raid then leaving the raiding zone and entering another building then going back to the raid zone again, Raiding twice within 20 minutes that is

Who warned/banned you and for how long?: A Friendly Canadian
Evidence: He can Confirm this himself

#2

No you or the other karma guy was kidnapped right when the raid started, and put into a base already purchased next to your base. Then who ever got kidnapped killed themselves and came back to the  street and began to counter raiding. The same shared street that's touching the base, being kidnapped during a raid counts as NLR ( when you were kidnapped and the dude next to you was killed).

#3

(03-09-2019, 10:27 PM)Jacket Wrote: [b]He kidnapped me & killed me (along side Kun Karma) inside a different base than ours.[/b]
[b]Canadian argued that he started the raid before the kidnap, but if that's the case then he got out of the raiding zone while Raiding and purchased a door then killed me then went back to raiding the base, which is NOT allowed, and by leaving the raid zone and coming back it'd count as raiding twice within 20 minutes, and by that logic I came back by the time he left the raiding zone the RP situation ended and started a new one, therefore I had every reason to comeback and not getting counted as NLR.[/b]

You're saying you left the raiding zone and entered a different base and locked us up then killed me then went back to continue the raid?

That doesn't make any sense to me.
The RP situation ended once you left the raiding zone and entered a different base. therefore me coming back to my base is a valid reason, as the RP situation ended.
You were mad that we raided your base and stole your stuff and that we countered the raid, so you were very much personal with the sit.
I don't see how punishing only 2 of the players and leaving the 3rd one unpunished is fair.

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(This post was last modified: 03-10-2019, 05:46 PM by North Bear. Edit Reason: editing information )

Disclaimer, this has been put into the Report section since player thinks he had been treated unfairly by staff in question.


This is what I gathered,

Ok so friendly was raiding, mid raid you decided to kidnap jacket and throw him into a nearby building
This means you had left the building/raiding zone you were originally raiding.
Meaning friendly left the raiding zone and the rp relation of a raid on jacket's base should've stopped.

Jacket came back with an assumption that the raid was done, staffmember saw jacket back at in his eyes the still ongoing raid. This is where the conflict lies.
Jacket shouldve made a sit or used ooc to express his concern, communication is key. I think it'd be easy to see that that certain person was still raiding but I am not too sure about this specific context.

I remember rigbe passing the 10 minute raiding timer and I went in at minute 12 and confronted him by going into the raid again.
That really is not a good thing to do since it allows a window for nlr discussion.



Anyway..
So, I discussed this with higher ups and other staffmembers including friendly himself and this would be the sumary;
- Jacket should've used better ways of communicating but was he in the wrong? Not necessarily.
- Friendly should've handled the situation a bit differently seeing as you did not nlr necessarily but he thought differently about the rp scenarios going on at the time.


Please do not make a report out of this since I already see this as an unban/warn removal appeal/report. Friendly has been talked to and we expressed ourselves.
Your warns for nlr will be removed.
Accepted




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